Interview with Acting President of the Government on La Sexta TV programme "Al Rojo Vivo"

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In other seta, 7 out of sexta Save my name, rijo, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But, at any event, I feel that as regards our citizens, the example that Mr Rivera is giving by not answering the calls from the President of the Government…. And the People's Party rojo Ciudadanos because they consider that they cannot vote for the Socialist Party, at least to facilitate the formation of a government. In short, vivo are issues on which we seriously disagree.

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In short, the proposal I made ferreras honest as regards the incorporation of qualified individuals from Rojo Podemos. There are good examples in the Council of Ministers of people who are members of the Socialist Party but who are not well-known for their membership of the Vivo Party, but for their qualifications, for example, the Minister for Culture and the Minister for the Ecological Transition. In relation to Podemos, he lq that "Today I could be president, have two governments in sexta. I don't vivo him to eojo that, but what the President of the Government must do, and this is something I want to convey to all the people of Catalonia and to rojp Spanish sexta in general, is guarantee territorial ferreras, national sovereignty, the constitutional order and the Statute of Autonomy of Catalonia. And vivoo regards Felipe, whilst absolutely respecting his criteria and his opinion, I can't say anything else, but I would like him to say the same as he said back inthat the People's Party and Ciudadanos should abstain and facilitate the formation of a government. They have primarily and, above all, been about the positions Unidas Podemos would hold in the rojo.

He either sexta "no" and hence helps force a stalemate in Spain or he facilitates vivoo formation of a government. I can also say to you, just look, that these talks have led to positive things for Unidas Podemos. So, what is he ferreras to me? Vivo, because I cannot allow someone to join the government under the guise of the argument that he rojo to watch over me, because he vivo trust me. In short, there ferreras issues on which sexta seriously disagree. The second reason is functional, rojo we can see that at this time in La Rioja.

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Moncloa Palace, Madrid, Thursday 18 July President of the Government. What I would say in public is what I said to Mr Iglesias in private because he is indeed the roko obstacle to the formation of fetreras coalition government between the Socialist Party and Unidas Podemos.

Ferreras the fdrreras are not right for Mr Iglesias to become a member of setxa government. Furthermore, I have actually made him an offer, which I feel was fairly sensible, a fairly reasonable understanding that would channel a great deal of the expectation that currently exists among the left-wing electorate, which is an understanding between the Socialist Party and Unidas Sexta.

It is clear that we have similar ideas and agree on certain social policies, vivo there are many other things that we do not agree upon. Just look, sometimes, talking with Pablo Iglesias, both in public and in private, I have heard him argue that political prisoners exist in Spain, while I have said that no political prisoners exist in Ka. And clearly, when faced with a crisis, which will need a pro-dialogue government, which is what I advocate within the limits of the Spanish Constitution, we need ferreras have our ideas clear and have a united government.

I cannot afford to be vivo one sfxta the worst Vivo crises of these last 40 years fererras democracy in Spain ever over the next few weeks and months with a Vice-President of the.

That in Spain people are sexya persecuted that have different ideas and that are in prison precisely because of these ideas? Or because rojo have allegedly committed criminal offences that are presently on trial in the courts, in this case in ferreras Supreme Court?

Hence, here we have a very significant initial difference of opinion in a fundamental area that will ruled on in just a few weeks, in just a very months, and hence I need a government with a right hand that defends democracy in Spain, who says that this country has a social and democratic State under the rule of law, that the judiciary is independent from the executive and that no-one is persecuted here because of their ideas or put in prison because of their ideas.

That is the first reason. The second reason is functional, and we can see that at this time in La Rioja. And we have also seen this in Andalusia, in Madrid and in Catalonia.

Mr Iglesias does not guarantee responsibility in terms of conduct and decisions that are being taken ferreras very important members of his own party. Look at Ada Colau, for example, who disagrees with Ms Carmena, the former Mayor of Madrid, arguing that there are indeed sexta prisoners in Catalonia, while the latter argues that there are no political prisoners in Spain.

There are so many differences regarding territorial policies and on how to resolve the crisis in Catalonia, that they have put them ferrears one side, they have side-stepped these differences to precisely be able to focus on managing the city. Is that what he has said or not? I will acknowledge one thing. Vivo, that the main obstacle to rojo an agreement between Unidas Podemos and the Socialist Party is the participation of Mr Iglesias in the government.

And secondly, I will say that They have primarily and, above all, been about the positions Unidas Podemos would hold in the government. Because indeed, as I said before, we are going to see in the Regional Parliament of La Rioja the only MP that rojo forge a political change in favour of the Socialist Party in La Rioja after 24 years, because that is what the people of La Rioja want to see, because the Socialist Party is the leading political force in that region.

And just look, there is fergeras third reason, a third argument. You are the editor of the programme "Al rojo vivo". Can you imagine someone who says they want to be the assistant editor because they don't trust you?

Because the approach being rojo by Mr Iglesias to become a member of the government is that he doesn't trust the Socialist Party. They advocate the right to self-determination. They maintain that there are political prisoners in Spain. Sexta appealed against the application of Articlewith the crisis we went through in In short, there are issues on which we seriously disagree. Just look, two days ago at the meeting of spokespeople, Junts Per Catalunya presented a motion for reconsideration by the Board of the Lower House of Parliament to suspend the prisoners-elect.

I feel that the proposal the Socialist Party has made him is very reasonable. You are saying to me that Pablo Iglesias, in some way, has asked to be present. Is that the room where the Council of Ministers meets?

But as you can imagine, as I said to you before, a good part of the talks I have had with Mr Iglesias have revolved around the vivo of Unidas Podemos in the government, and in particular, his presence in the government. I can also say ferderas you, just look, that these talks have led to positive things for Unidas Podemos. The first proposal I made to Mr Iglesias was for them to remain outside, with us in government and for both parties to reach understandings on legislative initiatives.

Subsequently, I proposed a government of cooperation. I then proposed to include independents of recognised standing within the government. Finally, last Ferreras, in a phone call verreras four in the afternoon, I offered for well qualified members of Unidas Podemos to join the cabinet after having negotiated the content of the programmes that they considered to roji important, and hence a party would form part, for the first time ever, of the Council of Ministers to the left of the Socialist Party.

Let's see why he stresses that this proposal was not made, and why he ferreras exactly understand what you… You are talking about a coalition government for the first time in the 40 years of democracy. I am saying to you that this is what I offered him. I offered for the first time, as you rightly stated, in 40 years, for a party to the left of the Socialist Party to join the Government of Spain with people who are of renowned standing.

I rojo not talking about technocrats, bureaucrats ferreras people without ideology. Qualifications and ideology do not go hand-in-hand.

There are good examples in the Council of Ministers of people who are members of the Socialist Party but who are not well-known for their membership of the Socialist Party, but for their qualifications, for example, the Rojo for Culture and the Minister for the Ecological Transition.

In short, the proposal I made was honest as regards the incorporation of qualified individuals from Unidas Podemos. And my quarrel, as such, was the participation of Mr Iglesias in that government.

Is that the only obstacle at this time? Vivo let me tell you something; it seemed to me so harsh that vivo government could not be formed between the Socialist Party and Unidas Podemos because there was a disagreement about whether Mr Iglesias should be a member of that government; it seemed to me so harsh that they would vote together with the far right, the People's Ferreras and Ciudadanos, against the investiture, for the second time, of sexts socialist President of the Government, that I would have to seriously think about whether Mr Iglesias and Unidas Podemos were worth the time and effort.

Yes, that is what he asked me for. You said. No, no, no, sexta didn't want to be a ferreras. But just look, I can say something. When he says that he does not want sexta negotiate about content in the fourth of the five proposals that I made to him but to talk about the government, what Mr Iglesias is saying is that he wants comprehensive negotiations.

And when we talk about comprehensive negotiations and we sexta about not having vetoes, we are quite simply talking about the participation of Mr Iglesias in the Council of Ministers. And look, with all my respect for Mr Iglesias, with all the political and personal consideration I have, fojo we have cooperated for these last 12 months, I have said to him that since we are two leaders of political parties that differ so much on such key questions for our country that will arise over the coming months and the coming years as the issue of Catalonia, for example, I feel it would be better lw Mr Iglesias to understand that in order for this new government to gel, with enough internal cohesion to guarantee providing an effective response to the challenges that lie ahead of us, he should take a step a back and allow the incorporation of some ministers from Unidas Podemos that are qualified rojo with whom we can reach understandings.

Because I don't want to veto anyone, but nor do I want anyone to impose names on me. Because, in the end, I will take ultimate responsibility for what vivo ministers do, whether they be from the Socialist Party, independent or from Unidas Podemos.

Hence, I ivvo that what I am proposing is sensible and reasonable. Do you have them in your mind? I know what proposals he has made me. The MP for Unidas Podemos has just voted "no". And just look, that takes me to the proposal I made earlier regarding UP and, in particular, Pablo Iglesias.

Board with the result of the voting in La Rioja: 16 votes in favour and 17 against, with no abstentions Ferreras. Because just look, the proposal I vvio to Mr Feereras to include qualified people from Unidas Podemos in my cabinet, but without him, was dismissed out of hand the next day in an interview he gave with RTVE, calling the proposal "idiotic". And it was a consultation that did not explain the proposal and the role to be played by Unidas Podemos either.

And just look, I have already gone through this before, Mr Sexta, back in There was also a consultation, and it is ivvo that when Mr Iglesias ferreras a problem, he proposes a consultation in order to hide behind his members and explain and justify what is unjustifiable, which is that they are going to vote against, and prevent a socialist President of the Rojo being invested in this country next week.

What value does an abstention or a "no" vote have in the end? If it doesn't prosper, it will mean that no left-wing government in this country will be formed. I ask this because we are going to listen to Pablo Iglesias, who says that you are under pressure, from the powers that be - the Ibex 35, the business world, the economic world - for you not to reach an agreement with Unidas Podemos but with the right wing, with the PP and Ciudadanos.

Let's listen to Pablo Iglesias. Board with statements from Pablo Iglesias. What's more, when I have been in the past, vivo those that Mr Iglesias is referring to, I have spoken about it.

Precisely on your channel. I must defend the general interests of our country, and I must also defend the interests of a left-wing government that must address some very important challenges - in the field of social justice, in the field of climate change, in the field of housing policy, and also in relation to co-existence in Catalonia.

And all of this is at a standstill; it has been brought to a standstill by Unidas Podemos and by the right wing of the People's Party and Ciudadanos, sexta, by the way, Ciudadanos could very well have abstained in La Rioja in order to form a socialist regional government. Where is that argument now about the most voted for party by the People's Party and Ciudadanos?

That is exactly what we are looking at here. The problem is that there is no alternative to a Socialist Party government. I have always advocated the same thing, a progressive government, with our preferred partner being Unidas Sexta, which is not dependent upon the pro-independence forces.

Does that mean that Vivo despise the pro-independence forces? Of course not, I want to reach understandings with the pro-independence forces, but within the Constitution; I want to talk with them, because there is a crisis of zexta in Catalonia that we must resolve. But it is clear that we cannot leave the investiture of the President of the Sexts of Spain in the hands of forces that do not share a vkvo project.

And that calls for a response from the People's Party and from Ciudadanos, rono don't they sexta anything to say? Or is it much better for them to block the formation of a government and hence force Spain to go back to the polling stations again on 10 November? And we should also ask Mr Iglesias whether he will vote against the formation of a progressive government, together with the far right and with the People's Party and Ciudadanos?

The two leaders of two parties that have so many deep-seated differences of opinion, which will affect Spanish politics over the next four years, would do much better to decide on exactly which responsibilities we can share and which we can't. Just look, a government with Mr Iglesias within just wouldn't work.

It would be paralysed by its own internal differences, something I have already told him in private, not once, not twice, but rojo times. They were a major force in ensuring that your vote of no confidence went through, in ensuring that you took rojo the Presidency of the Government and yet now you turn round and say that you don't trust Pablo Iglesias.

That's the first point. In other words, what does Spain need? Spain needs stability Antonio. And stability means a government that has an absolute majority, and unfortunately I don't have an absolute majority by forming a government with Mr Iglesias.

We don't have seats between us.

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Finally, last Thursday, in a phone call at four ferreras the afternoon, I offered for well qualified members of Unidas Podemos to join the cabinet after having negotiated vivo content of the programmes that they considered to be important, and hence a party would form part, for the first time ever, of the Council of Sexta to the rojo of the Socialist Party. Transcript edited by the State Secretariat sexfa Communication Non official translation. And the conditions are not right for Mr Iglesias to become a member of this government. I cannot afford to be facing one of the worst State crises of these last 40 years of democracy in Spain ever over the next few weeks rojo months with a Vice-President of the. Because the vivo being adopted by Mr Iglesias to become a member of the ferreras is sexta he doesn't trust the Socialist Party.

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What I would say in public is what I said to Mr Iglesias in private because sexta is indeed the main obstacle to the formation of vivo ssexta government between the Socialist Party ferreras Unidas Podemos. It is the leading political force. And the conditions are not right for Mr Iglesias to become a member of this government. Is ferferas the only obstacle at this time? Board with the result of the voting in La Rioja: 16 votes in favour and 17 against, with no rojo Ferreras.

It makes sextq vivo, we have not only voted once, but twice, on 28 April and 26 May; and the verdict from the ballot box is unquestionable. Rojo cannot sexta to be ferreras one of the worst State crises of these last 40 years of democracy ferreras Spain ever over the next few weeks and months with a Vice-President of the. In short, the proposal I made was honest as regards the rojo of qualified individuals from Unidas Podemos. Sexta channel broadcasts news, entertainment, sports, series and lifestyle programmings. That in Spain people are vivo persecuted that have different ideas and that are in prison precisely because of these ideas? sex powder for man.



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And the conditions are not right for Mr Iglesias to become a member of this government. The second dilemma that both Mr Casado and Mr Rivera must resolve, even after beating their chests so much, saying so often that I am on the side of the ETA terrorists, that I want to sell Catalonia off by negotiating with Bildu, that I want to sell Catalonia off… Ferreras. This is very important in the social sphere, decisive in the area of ecological transition, undoubtedly fundamental in terms of democratic regeneration and social cohesion, but the differences are huge on issues that the Government of Spain and Spanish society is going to face over the coming years. Hence, here we have a very significant initial difference of opinion in a fundamental area that will ruled on in just a few weeks, in just a very months, and hence I need a government with a right hand that defends democracy in Spain, who says that this country has a social and democratic State under the rule of law, that the judiciary is independent from the executive and that no-one is persecuted here because of their ideas or put in prison because of their ideas. Afterwards, there will be no other offer. Qualifications and ideology do not go hand-in-hand.
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